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Well the wedge thickens. I have just received notice that Shooting will not be included in the 2022 Birmingham Commonwealth Games.

http://chn.ge/2DL8wfL

I've just seen your post and signed the petition. Nice to see so many signitures coming from abroad.

This confirms my son-in-law's longstanding suspicion of Brummies (also Geordies, Scousers, in fact everybody from north of Dartmoor and east of Torbay).

Not "removed" it was never in it.

I have competed in several Commonwealth Games and I am ashamed to be a Brummie. :-((

It isn't Grevemberg who will make any decision here. In fact, even his say in the matter will be little, Nonetheless, I have seen less worthy peititions. The main challenge is to get the real media interested in the issue. If that succeeds...

Shooting sports have been contested at the Commonwealth Games at every games since 1966 with the exception of the 1970 Commonwealth Games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_ ... alth_Games

Crazy that a sport that has been contested in such a regular fashion remains an Optional sport as far as the Games are concerned.

Events were open until they were segregated by gender in 1994 for pistol and most rifle events and in 2002 for trap and skeet events; the full bore rifle competitions remained open.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_ ... alth_Games
And like the Olympics the CommonWealth Games first made Shooting Sports progressive and inclusive and then took a step back and segregated them. And not only segregated them, but gave the women fewer events than the men.
But that I'll put square on the shoulders of the ISSF and other federations. To build mixed competition your need mixed training and events all the way up through to the world level events.

A suggestion: Plan to hold a competition during the Games regardless of whether the official games organisers decide to fly the official logos over the event or not.

Try to include ALL ISSF disciplines.

Call the event the Commonwealth Cup or something similar.

Promote the event by offering free admission to anyone holding a Commonwealth Games ticket and arrange for cheap transit from central Games sites to the shooting venues.

One of the supposed advantages of the London Olympics venues was they were modular and could be moved. Damned shame that plan didn't seem to have worked out. Because placing them in any host city in Britain should have become as simple as taking them out of storage, shipping, and setting them up.

When they rewrote the Commonwealth Games Constitution back in 2006, the
Shooting sports was moved from a compulsary sport to a optional sport.
So a bidding city does not have to include Shooting.

https://www.asil.org/eisil/commonwealth ... march-2006

David M wrote:When they rewrote the Commonwealth Games Constitution back in 2006, the
Shooting sports was moved from a compulsary sport to a optional sport.
So a bidding city does not have to include Shooting.

https://www.asil.org/eisil/commonwealth ... march-2006

Is there any document or reference that shows the history of individual sports changing status through recognised, optional, and core? Through what years was shooting a compulsory sport? And how many disciplines were compulsory?

To be realistic, as butthurt as we all feel about shooting sports being excluded, I'm sure the rowers are as butthurt that they're a big thing at the Olympics but only just recently managed to become upgraded to optional at the Commonwealth games after being sent to purgatory of Recognised even after having been in the original games. "Recognised sports are sports which have been approved by the CGF but are deemed to need further growth before their inclusion."

And even if shooting is included, which disciplines are "worthy"? In 2010 44/36(!?! Wiki seems to be a cluster-F. There are only 36 medals shown on the 2010 article page, but 44 is listed elsewhere) shooting events were included. And of course there were. India dominated and they knew that was a good possibility, and that's why they were included.

Now realise that each of the following is separate: Shooting (Clay Target), Shooting (Full Bore), Shooting (Pistol), Shooting (Small Bore) and each would count towards the maximum of seven optional sports.

I'll repeat my suggestion of a shooting specific cup. Big international events are a cluster F anyways. As soon as some limit on the number of athletes, or disciplines, or venues, or money is reached the decision will be down to which has the best return of viewers to costs and which disciplines the host country is likely to win the most medals in.

The federations should look at making sure there is regular international competition outside the big showpiece games for all disciplines.

If we're doing it for love of competition, the lack of a big opening and closing party, and a lack of freebie handouts in terms of expenses paid shouldn't be the most important things.

Shooting first recorded results are from 1966 for
Free pistol, Centrefire, Rapidfire, 50m rifle and fullbore rifle.
Except for 1970 it has been in every games since 1966.

David M wrote:Shooting first recorded results are from 1966 for
Free pistol, Centrefire, Rapidfire, 50m rifle and fullbore rifle.
Except for 1970 it has been in every games since 1966.

They should just go back to this original choice, open all three pistol disciplines for women, and drop all shotgun disciplines. If only to annoy Phil Scanlan. ;-)

Alexander

SlartyBartFast wrote:A suggestion: Plan to hold a competition during the Games regardless of whether the official games organisers decide to fly the official logos over the event or not.

Try to include ALL ISSF disciplines.

Call the event the Commonwealth Cup or something similar.

Promote the event by offering free admission to anyone holding a Commonwealth Games ticket and arrange for cheap transit from central Games sites to the shooting venues.

One of the supposed advantages of the London Olympics venues was they were modular and could be moved. Damned shame that plan didn't seem to have worked out. Because placing them in any host city in Britain should have become as simple as taking them out of storage, shipping, and setting them up.

Unfortunately the UK firearms laws preclude this as only officially sanctioned competitions can be held especially pistol. Import licences would be impossible to obtain. Although that does not seem to stop the 'Saturday night specials' being available.....

Brian Girling wrote:Unfortunately the UK firearms laws preclude this as only officially sanctioned competitions can be held especially pistol. Import licences would be impossible to obtain.

Well. Until today, only Olympic Games and Commonwealth Games did give reason to the Home Office (or in theory: to the Scottish Ministers) to issue the necessary Section 5 authorities for a temporary FAC. Maybe it is time to expand that.

Alexander

Officially sanctioned by whom?

An ISSF sanctioned or British association sanctioned match should be able to get the same treatment as the games.

SlartyBartFast wrote:Officially sanctioned by whom?

The Home Office.

David Levene wrote:

SlartyBartFast wrote:Officially sanctioned by whom?

The Home Office.

So, David, is there any activity over there to lobby to getting shooting included? Or is it just accepted that it's the beginning of the end for shooting in the CWGs? Or the begining of the end of the CWGs completely (seeing as just about no one wants to host anymore).

j-team wrote:

David Levene wrote:

SlartyBartFast wrote:Officially sanctioned by whom?

The Home Office.

So, David, is there any activity over there to lobby to getting shooting included? Or is it just accepted that it's the beginning of the end for shooting in the CWGs? Or the begining of the end of the CWGs completely (seeing as just about no one wants to host anymore).

Yes, of course there is; more than I am willing to discuss on an open forum or with those not already in the know.

The future? It's got to be doubtful unless everyone gets together at the next CGF General Assembly to get shooting changed to a compulsory sport.

to get shooting changed to a compulsory sport.

Best strategy.

Alexander wrote:

Brian Girling wrote:Unfortunately the UK firearms laws preclude this as only officially sanctioned competitions can be held especially pistol. Import licences would be impossible to obtain.

Well. Until today, only Olympic Games and Commonwealth Games did give reason to the Home Office (or in theory: to the Scottish Ministers) to issue the necessary Section 5 authorities for a temporary FAC. Maybe it is time to expand that.

Alexander

Actually the 2011 NatWest Island Games in the Isle of Wight held cartridge pistol events. I believe it was used as a dry run for 2012 regarding transportation. Though I suspect that for 2012 they didn't have as many points of entry as they did for the Island Games. Liverpool, Poole and Brize Norton spring to mind, not to mention Heathrow and Gatwick. As far as I am aware only Section 5 causes any problems as trying to get a Section 5 for transit through the UK is virtually impossible.

It should also be remembered that the Manchester Games were not going to have shooting until a couple of countries, I believe Canada and Australia, said no shooting and we don't come. The Major Government quickly capitulated and the shooting events were held at Bisley.

David Levene wrote:

SlartyBartFast wrote:Officially sanctioned by whom?

The Home Office.

So the difficulty of holding a separate competition is no different than the difficulty of having a sanctioned CG event.

Except no need to fight the CG on number of events or number of athletes.