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Now we don't want to hurt feelings?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:28 pm
by jhmartin
This I did not know.... from the USAS post today --- Good job anyway
1- Dempster
2- Ryan
3- Connor
Christenson, Ryan Anderson (Wasilla, Alaska) and Connor Davis (Shelbyville, Kentucky) finished first, second and third on the scoreboard, even if the podium didn’t reflect it. Match rules were adopted to ensure countries were allowed just two medal winners in each event, thus Davis was left off the podium despite the score that said otherwise.
Biting my tongue.
Re: Now we don't want to hurt feelings?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:52 pm
by corning
jhmartin wrote:
Match rules were adopted to ensure countries were allowed just two medal winners in each event,
Biting my tongue.
+1, but I guess I don't have the restraint that you do. Rules like that are absolutely asinine!
Re: Now we don't want to hurt feelings?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:53 pm
by jhmartin
S...t...i...l...l... Biting ...my... t..o..n..g..u..e! AHHH It hurts!
Re: Now we don't want to hurt feelings?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:38 pm
by COBelties
Right there with you....next thing they'll start having participation ribbons....
Re: Now we don't want to hurt feelings?
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:12 am
by corning
COBelties wrote:Right there with you....next thing they'll start having participation ribbons....
or, a medal for everyone.
Re: Now we don't want to hurt feelings?
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:39 am
by Hemmers
How very odd. Olympic Quota places are up for grabs and 2016 would be boring if it was populated entirely by Americans, so you need a control mechanism, but quota places != medals and even if you want to spread the medals about, why not simply only allow two entries per country - with an option for additional shooters to shoot for MQS but not for the podium.
If you enter a team of 3 but have 4 individual shooters, you normally have to declare your nominations beforehand rather than having the organisers simply take the top 3 scores as your team. This seems to be the opposite, where entries are open but only the top two are considered to have shot in the medals match.
No problem with limiting the number of medallists from any one team (a limit on entries does that!), but they've picked an unusual mechanism for doing it.
Re: Now we don't want to hurt feelings?
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:11 am
by jhmartin
Hemmers wrote:Olympic Quota places are up for grabs and 2016 would be boring if it was populated entirely by Americans
No worries there
so you need a control mechanism
Really, why? Only 2 quota slots per country, right?
why not simply only allow two entries per country - with an option for additional shooters to shoot for MQS but not for the podium.
Seems the easy way, don't it?
What is funny is that they indeed have team competitions.
Re: Now we don't want to hurt feelings?
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:15 pm
by gwsb
This has been the rules in the hemisphere shooting championships as long as they have been doing them. Since sometime in the 70's I think they started. Back then it was harder in rifle to make the US Team than it was to win an Olympic medal. America would have swept the rifle and shotgun medals and many of the pistol medals in the Championships of the Americas.
Re: Now we don't want to hurt feelings?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:56 pm
by dahigg
Hemmers wrote:Olympic Quota places are up for grabs and 2016 would be boring if it was populated entirely by Americans, so you need a control mechanism, but quota places != medals and even if you want to spread the medals about, why not simply only allow two entries per country - with an option for additional shooters to shoot for MQS but not for the podium.
At this match, they only gave out quotas for first place, so the fact that Connor was pushed out of a bronze doesn't affect the quotas at all.
Also, if they only allowed two entries per country, they wouldn't be able to have a team match, meaning that nobody could attempt to break team world records at the match.