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paulo · Joined: 21 Apr 2009 Posts: 257

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paulo · Joined: 21 Apr 2009 Posts: 257

Just like on the first image of this post, I am trying to balance the TOZ with an under barrel front extension.

I am also going to try to move back the rear sights, so at this time I left the center of gravity 1/3 on an inch forward of the trigger, but when all is done and I ad some weight to the back of the gun, where is the correct location for the center of gravity on a gun?

RB6 · Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 71

paulo · Joined: 21 Apr 2009 Posts: 257

Please see the picture above for reference. Thanks.
I am looking for the correct location of the center of gravity on a gun?

I am also interested to know if high velocity ammo is a no no for this gun.
I tried just a few rounds of different types of high velocity on my TOZ and the results were very positive, so I am wondering if I should or not use this cheaper ammo on a regular basis.

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The problem with high velocity ammo is the recoil. The more recoil you have, the harder it is to shoot consistently...at least in my opinion. A few years ago, Federal marketed Gold Medal match 22 ammo and some of it shot pretty good. However, the velocity of it was about 100 fps faster than Tenex or R50, and you could feel it. Not many of the FP shooters used it and I think it was because of the added recoil.

As for the center of balance...it is where it is, depending on how your TOZ is weighted. Is there an ideal center of balance? I doubt there is anymore than there is an ideal shoe size. The important thing is to adjust the balance to make the pistol feel the way you want it to. Some shooters like a forward weighted pistol. I used to shoot mine with lead solder wound around the barrel from the forend to the front sight because I liked that balance. If the rod you have gets long enough, your pistol may feel like a tuning fork when it goes off. I knew a guy who put a aluminum rod in the end of his Ham 150, and it vibrated when fired. However, his rod was longer than the flat piece you are using.

Good luck with customizing your TOZ.

paulo · Joined: 21 Apr 2009 Posts: 257

I plan to cut the aluminum front extension, after I do the rear sights extension (similar to a Morini 162 short rear sights) that is why I was inquiring if there is a proper center of gravity to "shoot" for.
The rear extension idea is to bring the rear sights to an area above the wrist or close by that point, since that is the last moving point going forward, if you consider that a grip should be static.

RB6 · Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 71

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The benefit of a long sight radius is more precision in recognizing errors in sight alignment. The farther the front sight is from your hand, the more exagerated that movement is allowing the shooter to better see sight alignment errors. I can not see that moving the rear sight closer to your eye would be a benefit, but who knows until you try. Let us know how it works out.

RB6 · Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 71

paulo · Joined: 21 Apr 2009 Posts: 257

I tried the rear sights further back and it helps a lot focusing on the front sites, you do see more movement but this movements is an indication of how much work you have ahead to improve your body stance.
Once you control all the movement coming from feet and leg position/torso rotation/shoulder/elbow lock/"wrist lock"/grip/trigger finger/... you will be looking at the ten ring.

The wrist can't be locked, and there is always some movement when holding a gun coming from the wrist, shooting practice and tools like a Dynaflex help but will never eliminate wrist movement.

As you go from the wrist toward the gun muzzle everything should be working as a single unit and a static form is easier to attain. Thus all the time spent perfecting a grip, to establish neutral full contact between hand and gun. Here only trigger finger should move independent of everything else.

The goal is to reduce movement "completely"so you can hold inside the ten ring (10-10.9 in the x/y planes) every time you align your gun for a shot.

This is a personalized view of what a perfect shot is, since I am not at that level I am working in steps to get there. Anything that helps move less is great.

RB6 · Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 71

paulo · Joined: 21 Apr 2009 Posts: 257

Trying not to give up, doubt I will, but thank you for the encouragement.
Here are the mods, 1 3/8" rear sight extension, front aluminum bar for balance, lots of metal out of the grip frame as showed in other pictures.
Absolutely a new gun, specially the reduced weight and better front sight focus, and now time to start all over again learning how to shoot it, hopefully not has many flyers!